Why am I not surprised? If the immigrants (non-Western) “assimilating” are not equal in innate ability, then they will never rise to the level of native Danes. We have this problem here in the USA wrt even our native stock—much less the millions pouring in from the third world annually.
Here it is forbidden socially/politically to ascribe differences in outcomes between the races/ethnicities to be caused by anything other than environment, hence a decades old (fruitless) pursuit to bring one race up the the level of another—the usual marker being that of native Whites (mostly of European stock). Failure to achieve this lofty goal is attributed to racism on the part of the majority population.
So now we are in the midst of a movement to simply ignore ability and promote those underachieving minorities regardless of merit or ability. This process (Affirmative Action via quotas) has the effect of “balancing the numbers”, but also the negative effect of placing incompetence in positions of power such that their incompetence has grievous effects on the society. A once first world nation is now in decline, but as yet refuses to recognize such.
The Danes would be wise to learn from us before they destroy their society through immigration of citizens from third world countries. There is a reason they are from the third world and Danes are from the first world.
The graph with individual countries is not specific to Denmark. But yes, Chinese immigrants perform well in Denmark too. Not sure what point you're trying to get across.
It seems like your partitioning of immigrants into "Western" & "other" is a tad disingenuous if the very best performers are actually East Asian. Unless I am totally misunderstanding what you wrote.
Differences in human capital between groups is a hugely neglected explanatory variable in the public discourse.
How much social angst and bad policy could be remedied by an acknowledgement of the facts of population differences?
Maybe America would not have seen murderous riots in 2020 had the population been statistically literate about the number of deadly police interactions black Americans have with police relative to the amount of crime they commit.
Maybe we could stop self flagellating over "White Supremacy" and "Systemic Racism" and pursuing insane HR practices if we could acknowledge that Ashkenazi Jews do better than Somalis for reasons other than bigotry.
Maybe we could stop degrading living standards throughout the West with terrible immigration policies if we acknowledged that the living standards within nations has something to do with the qualities of the people who inhabit them.
The egalitarian assumption of the uniform distribution of inherent talent, which would be realised but for white malevolence, may prove to be the single most disastrous intellectual misstep in human history.
Its also one of the silliest. To suppose that human evolution took the same course everywhere in the world, even when there are manifestly obvious differences between populations that clearly stem from differential evolution, is obviously wrong.
Even putting to one side the substantial body of evidence that shows geographical variation in human psychology, by a priori reasoning alone, it would be extraordinarily unlikely that precisely the same selective pressures on human psychology existed in every time and place in which humans have lived. And even if true, which it plainly isn't, the mere fact of evolutionary separation itself would still produce population differences, as population change isn't purely a function of environmental pressure, but has elements of randomness and idiosyncrasy.
Is there a silver lining to this in that the descendants of non-western immigrants come up to the level the native danes were at roughly a decade ago ?
Unfortunately, I don't think we can interpret it in that way. As you can see, growth in grades has happened in all groups over time. This is the phenomenon known as "grade inflation". That grades have massively increased is not because of a massive increase in actual measurable ability, but due to a lowering in grading standards. So we cannot say that a grade of, say, 7 in 2021 is equivalent to a grade of 7 in 2011 in terms of educational proficiency. I touch on a related issue in footnote 3, so that's worth reading too.
Thank you. It's almost like there is some sort of limitation in certain groups to achieve at levels comparable to other groups...
Why am I not surprised? If the immigrants (non-Western) “assimilating” are not equal in innate ability, then they will never rise to the level of native Danes. We have this problem here in the USA wrt even our native stock—much less the millions pouring in from the third world annually.
Here it is forbidden socially/politically to ascribe differences in outcomes between the races/ethnicities to be caused by anything other than environment, hence a decades old (fruitless) pursuit to bring one race up the the level of another—the usual marker being that of native Whites (mostly of European stock). Failure to achieve this lofty goal is attributed to racism on the part of the majority population.
So now we are in the midst of a movement to simply ignore ability and promote those underachieving minorities regardless of merit or ability. This process (Affirmative Action via quotas) has the effect of “balancing the numbers”, but also the negative effect of placing incompetence in positions of power such that their incompetence has grievous effects on the society. A once first world nation is now in decline, but as yet refuses to recognize such.
The Danes would be wise to learn from us before they destroy their society through immigration of citizens from third world countries. There is a reason they are from the third world and Danes are from the first world.
So Hong Kong, Vietnam and China are "Western" for this purpose...???
No, they would be categorized as non-Western. There just aren't that many immigrants from those places in Denmark.
But, unless I'm reading your chart wrong, they seem to do the best among any immigrant group, right?
The graph with individual countries is not specific to Denmark. But yes, Chinese immigrants perform well in Denmark too. Not sure what point you're trying to get across.
It seems like your partitioning of immigrants into "Western" & "other" is a tad disingenuous if the very best performers are actually East Asian. Unless I am totally misunderstanding what you wrote.
I don't do the partitioning, that's the government statistical agency. I simply use the same groupings they use.
Differences in human capital between groups is a hugely neglected explanatory variable in the public discourse.
How much social angst and bad policy could be remedied by an acknowledgement of the facts of population differences?
Maybe America would not have seen murderous riots in 2020 had the population been statistically literate about the number of deadly police interactions black Americans have with police relative to the amount of crime they commit.
Maybe we could stop self flagellating over "White Supremacy" and "Systemic Racism" and pursuing insane HR practices if we could acknowledge that Ashkenazi Jews do better than Somalis for reasons other than bigotry.
Maybe we could stop degrading living standards throughout the West with terrible immigration policies if we acknowledged that the living standards within nations has something to do with the qualities of the people who inhabit them.
The egalitarian assumption of the uniform distribution of inherent talent, which would be realised but for white malevolence, may prove to be the single most disastrous intellectual misstep in human history.
Its also one of the silliest. To suppose that human evolution took the same course everywhere in the world, even when there are manifestly obvious differences between populations that clearly stem from differential evolution, is obviously wrong.
Even putting to one side the substantial body of evidence that shows geographical variation in human psychology, by a priori reasoning alone, it would be extraordinarily unlikely that precisely the same selective pressures on human psychology existed in every time and place in which humans have lived. And even if true, which it plainly isn't, the mere fact of evolutionary separation itself would still produce population differences, as population change isn't purely a function of environmental pressure, but has elements of randomness and idiosyncrasy.
Is there a silver lining to this in that the descendants of non-western immigrants come up to the level the native danes were at roughly a decade ago ?
Unfortunately, I don't think we can interpret it in that way. As you can see, growth in grades has happened in all groups over time. This is the phenomenon known as "grade inflation". That grades have massively increased is not because of a massive increase in actual measurable ability, but due to a lowering in grading standards. So we cannot say that a grade of, say, 7 in 2021 is equivalent to a grade of 7 in 2011 in terms of educational proficiency. I touch on a related issue in footnote 3, so that's worth reading too.
Concisely well put :)